July 15, 2008

A discussion about Memorial Day

A good discussion developed in October around the Webmaster's question about how holidays such as Christmas, Easter, Mother's Day, would be translated into Tobian for a calendar. The main participants were Justin, Huan, and Crispin. The discussion was about language and about culture and how Tobians are the only people who know what English words or ideas have Tobian meaning and what that meaning is. They also discussed what Hatohobei memorial day might be used for and the idea of Hatohobei Heritage day.

At the end of the discussion, everyone agreed it would make a good FOTI Forum topic since everyone has such good ideas about it.It is complicated and raises many questions and issues. So, I've copied some of their discussion here to get started with? I hope I've gotten it right.

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

Justin Andrew: I would like to see the TobiState declare some holidays to commemorate important traditional and recent days?like the state constitution day and the Chief Heimong and Romohparuh day. Again it might be better to check with the State office to see if there are already state holidays.


Crispin Emilio: The following are the HatohobeiState legal holidays:

- Constitutional Day - July 10

- Memorial Day - First Friday of November

Memorial Day is a day to honor our ancestors including the chiefs and our people who have left this earth. The author is Francisca Elias Emilio.



Huan Hosei: Emoh Nimariyeri! Good question, another question is Memorial Day for what? It is to my understanding that this Memorial Day is a day to pay respect and honor to our ancestors?is this it or there is further explanation of it. So, I would imagine that this holiday should be referred to specifically as "ANCESTORAL MEMORIAL DAY." Can someone clarify further the specificity of this holiday?just a plain Memorial Day can include many other special days to observe?a "salad bowl memorial day."

Crispin Emilio: Here is what I would say for Memorial Day: "Bonguru Hamirar" or "Bonguru Hamengir" or "Yotori Hamengir." Either one of these could be used.



Huan Hosei: Good, but that's the literal meaning of "Memorial Day," although I think
the translation is a bit off course. Anyway, "Yotori Hamengir" what????

Crispin Emilio: Hello everyone! Here is what I have as per HSPL No. 5-33-03 and quote: "Section 1. Legislature findings and purpose. The Legislature hereby finds that the present
generation of Hatohobei persons owes a debt of gratitude to our ancestors and traditional leaders for their effort to establish a productive society and culture of Hatohobei. The purpose of this Act is to establish a State holiday to honor the achievements and spirit of our ancestors and
traditional leaders." I hope this answers the question.

Justin Andrew: Hi folks, I think we ought to filter some of these Western cultures to find and keep or adapt what fits us as Tobians. We are probably trying to fit ourselves into something that we cannot fit and in the process, lose focus on what the intent is and hurt ourselves. If Tobians need to have a Memorial Day, then lets try and find a culturally significant meaning that we can associate ourselves with. Are we also going then to have Halloween in Tobian. I think the web master has some very good intentions regarding this Memorial Day question and perhaps we should ask her to clarify that and lets not assume things. Governor, you as our head of state should be mindful of what might just be the consequences of Tobianizing Western Terminologies because that can mislead and de-educate our children. "Yotori Hamangir"?can you explain this term. What do you mean. as HH puts it, "yotori hamangiri.....what???"



Crispin Emilio:Hi Justin, Indeed, it's a great contribution! I should say that our culture and traditional values are fading away these days, whether we know it or not and what you have said is one of the solutions to keep it afloat. The activities you said is a very good idea that is needed to include in the Summer Program which Seb has started 3 years ago, taking parents and their children to Hatohobei and teach them our culture and traditional skills. We can proclaim the month of June as Hatohobei Heritage Month.

Here is the second part of the State law 5-33-03 and quote: Section 2. Holiday declared. Commencing in the year 2003, the first Friday in November shall be a State Holiday known as Memorial Day. State offices shall be closed for business on such day and State employees shall be entitled to paid leave. The State government shall promote voluntary Memorial Day
activities designed to honor the memories of the ancestors of persons of Hatohobei and their contributions, including the establishment of taro patches, maintaining a clean island, teaching their children living skills and positive values, and working hard to improve life for their families
and neighbors, including voluntarism." Thanks for sharing your views.

Justin Andrew: Governor thank you for the clarification and the message. Happy to hear from you. I like that piece of legislation. My question now is, are we going to use that Memorial Day term?? I think, in respect to that legislation, we should find another term for a holiday that honors our forefathers and traditional leaders...It would be something like this..Hatohobei
Heritage Day and perhaps this day can be expanded to become Hatohobei Heritage Week or Month. And during this day, week or month, we should have cultural performances on dancing and chanting, arts and crafts, fishing derby using traditional Hatohobei fishing methods, cooking up traditional Tobian dishes, traditional canoe paddling and sailing. The list can go on and on. Just something to think about and I hope that with this short note or exchange, I have contributed something to our Hatohobei.


HatohobeiState Public Law No. 5-33-03

Section 1. Legislature findings and purpose. The Legislature hereby finds that the present generation of Hatohobei persons owes a debt of gratitude to our ancestors and traditional leaders for their effort to establish a productive society and culture of Hatohobei. The purpose of this Act is to establish a State holiday to honor the achievements and spirit of our ancestors and traditional leaders.


Section 2. Holiday declared. Commencing in the year 2003, the first Friday in November shall be a State Holiday known as Memorial Day. State offices shall be closed for business on such day and State employees shall be entitled to paid leave. The State government shall promote voluntary Memorial Day activities designed to honor the memories of the ancestors of persons of Hatohobei and their contributions, including the establishment of taro patches, maintaining a clean island, teaching their children living skills and positive values, and working hard to improve life for their families and neighbors, including voluntarism.

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Cila Patris: December 5, 2006 6:44 PM
Wow! This is very good. I did not know that we have a Memorial Day and it is dedicated to our ancestors.